[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:05] Speaker B: You're listening to Casual Talk Radio where common sense is still the norm whether you're a new or long time listener. We appreciate you joining us today. Visit [email protected] and now here's your host, Ler. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Welcome. Welcome back to Casual Talk Radio. Thank you for joining us here. My name is Leister. I'm your your host if you're new. Welcome to the show. This will be a follow up to a prior episode. So I do recommend that you will go and check out our archives. CasualTalkRadio.net is the site and do a search and just do a search for, in this case, Ghislaine Maxwell, because that's going to be my topic once again as a follow up. This is a follow on just a quick vamp. What I said before, a lot of churning is around the Epstein files and people want to see what's in the Epstein files because there's been a lot of speculation and tinfoil around what the content of said files and the circumstances behind Jeffrey Epstein's death. The thought that he was murdered and did not commit suicide. Then there was chatter that the the Justice Department was going to be talking to Ghislaine Maxwell. This got people thinking that Ghislaine was going to drop some dimes and share some stuff we didn't already know that was going to bring down someone or that she was going to exchange it for a deal to get out of prison. And what I said in my prior, this is the refresh part, what I said in my prior was if she really knew, if she really had all these dark secrets, if Epstein had this mystical list, if she had all this knowledge, why wouldn't she have exchanged it for a plea deal before going to prison? Because Bradley Manning, that's what he did, they give him a slap on the wrist after he turned transgender and let him out, while the other people have been chased around, he got off with a slap because he turned transgender and took a plea deal. So why is it that Ghislaine Maxwell's tossed in the jail because she was complicit in a lot of this stuff and she admitted some of it and she said it was because of the association. Well, recently the Justice Department released the transcript of their interview because what they were trying to do is, of course, defray some of the lack of clarity around the Epstein files and the investigation where people were screaming to get the papers and files released. And, and I said that chances are there wasn't anything to find. Chances are it's a big Nothing Burger, to use a quote. Chances are it was a waste of time. Chances are Ghislaing wasn't going to say anything we didn't already know. That's what I said. The, the crux of the interview confirmed what I said to be the truth, which is that you didn't really learn anything. And so then people still don't believe. Like she has no reason to lie at this point. Okay, so she's already in the prison. She has no reason to lie. So I believe what she's saying. I believe it. But it exposed a couple of new thought processes. I'll go down the list here of what she basically said. So part of the questioning, and it's not long long, it's not super long, but part of the questioning really centered around what she knew that she could share separate from the Epstein. Right. So you, what did you know? What did you see? And I believe this is asked before, but it was good to go back over it again. So the first, and of course it's the first she said, quote, I never witnessed the president as in Donald Trump in any appropriate setting in any way. The president was never inappropriate with anybody. Later she would refer to Donald Trump basically as a perfect gentleman, you know, just stand up kind of guy. And even said that Trump never visited the island. Later she would say that. She said that she does not think Epstein died by suicide, though she doesn't believe that it was this conspiracy of hey, you know, these cops went and killed whatever. But she doesn't believe in the suicide theory. She thinks that. She thinks that suicide was not the reason he died. She didn't outright say what she did think happened, but she felt that it was suspicious, as most people do. Most people feel suspicious. That's absolutely a given. She said she never saw Epstein taking any photos or videos for blackmail because that's one of the predominant theories is that Epstein was being coerced by international leaders to take illicit photos and videos with celebrities and high profile people to blackmail them later. That was the whole narrative that's spinning around because of, you know, jewelry he was given and all the island and all these, this wealth that he accumulated over time. The theory was that that was in exchange for him providing this illicit information to these international players. And she said she never saw Epstein taking any photos or videos for any blackmail. She said that she knew Trump before she knew Epstein and that's where she was referred to him as, you know, he is a perfect gentleman. Her dad, and if you didn't know this, but her dad was A very high profile person as well. And her dad and Donald Trump used to ride in circles together. So they knew, you know, kind of what it is. She says she likes him. She says she's always liked him and that's about it. Said that Epstein and Trump were friendly but not close. And Trump would say, we used to be, but then he stole one like her. I think it says barista or masseuse or something. Stole as an employee, poached her. After the interview, she gets sent over to the prison camp. So the prison. So she was in a low security situation. The this new camp is even lesser security. It's women only. And it's her non violent offenses, white collar crimes. This pissed people off because it seemed like she was getting favorable treatment as a result of the information she was sharing. But the truth is that when you're a sex offender, which she is, you're supposed to be in this, the original place. You're not supposed to be in this cozy camp where you're laid back. And the thought is she's being treated better than other inmates in the same for the same crime. She says she doesn't remember whether Trump submitted a message for the book. So one of the things that was talked about is people that had sent letters for an album for Epstein. And I don't know why this directly was relevant. I think it was one of those to say, okay, we're just connecting the dots between two people. Trump said he did not. Maxwell said she does not recall him doing so. Wall Street Journal had said that they had some secret evidence that he submitted the letter to the book a long time ago, but nobody remembers that there was something. And I question, well, what does that prove? What does that really mean? It doesn't really prove anything at all. Maxwell said that she does not believe or did not believe that Epstein was communicating with FBI. That was another thing it was spinning around is that Epstein was either an FBI agent himself or was inside with the FBI sharing secrets of these high profile people. Maxwell says that if he was she, he would have bragged to her, quote, I think if he was for, if he was for real, I think he would have bragged about it to me as a show off. Because he could be a show off and if he wasn't, he might be. Dropped it. He might have dropped it like he was cool. You know, it's like just casually mentioned it in conversation, quote, and I don't think, I don't remember him doing either. Now with again the caveat before I met him, finding money I think he may have suggested that there were some people that helped him. That's the only context I recall that in. So then the whole finding money thing, she talked about a time when Epstein had a photo with some African warlords or something and something nefarious going on, but she wasn't sure. She says, quote, I don't think that there was any other agency basically, that Epstein was in. I think that, I don't remember anything like that. I don't, I don't think he had the wherewithal. It's basically saying he doesn't have the capacity or didn't to be any kind of intelligence agent or be somehow exploited. Maxwell said that Bill Clinton, quote, never, absolutely never went. And I can be sure of that because there's no way he would have gone. I don't believe there's any way he would have gone to the island had I not been there, because I don't believe he had an independent friendship, if you will, with Epstein. So, quote, so the, this, the, the Clinton came from a mention in documents that were leaked saying that, you know, Clinton was on the list, the fly list. Right. And then Donald Trump said it repeatedly that Bill Clinton had gone to the island. Clinton said he didn't do it, and then Maxwell saying that he didn't do it. So that's what that is. And then the big one came out. She was asked about the, the black book, the client list, the fly list, whatever. She says, quote, yeah, there's no list. We'll start with that. Absolutely. No, there's no list. There's no, I'm not aware of any blackmail. I never heard that I never saw and I never imagined it. So she's saying there was no list whatsoever. She's saying that there's no such thing as a black book. There's no such thing as a client list, there's no such thing as a blackmail. This goes to what I said in terms of the Pam Bondi and Dan Bongino fallout, that I suspected that they didn't find anything and that they were frustrated that nothing was found. And this seems to correlate to that theory that nothing was there. Even though there's this message going around about a leaked list and there's all these fake photos about a leaked list. Here you are hearing from Maxwell saying that there was no list. Maxwell said that she never saw anything inappropriate with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. And masseuse's or women, because that was another statement was that at some point Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Had been on the plane with Epstein and had gone to, you know, whatever island and had done some inappropriate things with inappropriate people. She was asked about if he had ever gotten a massage from people. She said she didn't know. She doesn't want believe that he did. Asked further, she kept saying, quote, I mean, absolutely not. I never ever saw any man doing something inappropriate with a woman of any age. I never saw inappropriate habits. Now, I'm not, I'm not going to say hands are. I mean, that to me is not inappropriate. Now somebody's inappropriate mind may be different. So here she's. She's flipping the script a little bit. She's not denying that people got a little touchy feely, that there were men of varying levels that were touchy feely with women. In her mind, that's not inappropriate if you just have hands on somebody. So that may be. That may be where some of the context came from, from some of the victims where they did get groped, let's say, or just general touchy feely. And then that turned into an allegation of assault or sexual impropriety. She's saying that she does believe, you know, ultimately that, yeah, people hung out together and there may have been some hands, but nothing inappropriate in her mind. And then she said, quote, I don't believe he died by suicide. I don't think so. I don't believe she believes it wasn't a reason to keep rich people, you know, quiet or anything, quote I think it's ludicrous. If that's what they wanted, they'd had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't in jail. If it's indeed murder, I believe, is an eternal situation. So what she's saying here is if way back, right when he was out, when he was free, that somebody could have put a hit on him, somebody with high profile, with enough money and with enough pull could have just put a hit on the guy. And she's right. He wasn't fully insulated. He was actually quite exposed. So the idea that he was able to travel in circles freely without any threat to his life is a bit strange. And why would you wait until after he's caught to take him out? If you think about, you know, presidents that got shot, right, and they're out, and they just get taken out before they have a chance to say or do something, why wouldn't that have happened to him? Why would it take place after the jail? So she thinks it was something inside, but she doesn't believe in suicide. She thinks that, you know, maybe another inmate or somebody Had a personal beef with him and took him out as a result of that. Or maybe somebody was associated, this is my words, somebody was associated with a victim and they chose to take him out. But ultimately that's an inside job. She says that she knew of no visit or dealings associated with Hillary Clinton. She never saw them together. It was true that he gave money to the foundation, but that's about it. He never saw any sort of commingling with Hillary Clinton. This, this visiting of the island becomes a theme because that's the whole thing is who was on the plane, a lot of people who knew him, a lot of people who went to the island, a few people, and then who did something inappropriate while they were there. And that's. That last one's what's unknown. But the focus is around who was on the plane, who knew him and who went to the island. The assumption then of guilt proceeds is they're assuming people are guilty because they went to the island, which is. She's saying there were people that commingled, but there was no inappropriate anything. And I would have known some. Some of the stuff. So, for example, Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker. Chris Tucker. The story on Chris Tucker that's interesting is that during the Michael Jackson trial, it was revealed that Michael. Michael Jackson had, I don't want to say lent, but had provided access to a plane. Chris Tucker took some of these kids that were in, you know, this whole lawsuit against Michael and took them and. And then he was not indicted as a co conspirator, but he was. Chris Tucker was taking the kids that were part of this whole thing. This is right around the time that Chris Tucker, on his own admission, admitted that he had traveled on Epstein's plane. Now you're starting to get a clean overlap that's really suspect of planes, right? And underage people and Chris Tucker, that's really strange. And then all of a sudden, Tucker goes off the radar. He's no longer doing heavy movies. He's no longer out and about. He's barely doing stand up and he's much more subdued. He's nowhere near what he used to be. It's just a strange shift. And that's what they're saying there. She's saying that Chris Tucker never went there as far as she knew. Kevin Spacey never went there as far as she knew. But she did see or says that she saw. Naomi Campbell, who's her name, showed up in an unsealed record and said that apparently Naomi Campbell and Epstein had a friendship separately from theirs. That she wasn't friends with Naomi, but Naomi was friends with Epstein. No connection to wrongdoing. But Naomi Campbell's name was a bit of a surprise to see in the, in the paperwork said she has no knowledge of a relationship between Epstein and Musk, but that they knew each other. Quote, I believe they did. And the only reason I say that is not from memory, but because I saw, I think I saw my memory is that in discovery they were communicating on email. My memory is not as good as I would like it to be said that likely Epstein knew the Cuomo's but did not have a relationship with the Cuomo's because Cuomo name came up as well. And the theory that some people in from New York were on the Epstein plane, which she said was not really, she didn't see that as being the case from her recollection. In summary, we didn't learn much from Ghislaine Maxwell other than that which contradicted some of the public narrative. And this has pissed off a lot of people because they assumed that there was more smoke behind Donald Trump in particular because there are Trump haters out there. And some of these other, you know, Bill Clinton, right, It's Chris Tucker. There were theories about what was happening and what the government was covering up. And I said straight that if there was something so deep like that she would have dropped the dime when they arrested her and they would have absolutely given her a sweetheart deal because it would have been amazing. It would have taken down levels and levels and levels. And some of the theory was that the reason that they did not take the deal is because it would have implicated certain high level people at the time, namely Barack Obama. Right. Joe Biden and some others at the end, of course, Donald Trump, but later. But I'm saying that there were other people that were potentially implicated. People thought that Hillary Clinton might have people killed like it was. That's all that spitting. Meanwhile people are still screaming to get the files released. And just like with the MLK files, you know, the problem is that you release the files, you learn nothing and then you think that somebody, something's still being hidden and it's not going to solve anything. I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't release. I'm saying that people have to manage their expectations. I don't think you're going to learn anything of note. I don't think there's anything substantive in those files. I think it's one of those where ultimately we have a person who took very difficult information to their grave. However they Got there and there's a lot of people that know and were involved in and aware of what was going on. And I think there's a slim few people that seriously did something. I think there's a slim, you know, maybe five or ten people, close associates of him that were involved in what was going on. I don't think it's a major scandal. I think that Dan Bongino, this is theory. I think Dan Bongino, in my opinion, saw in what he was researching that there was nothing there. And his, his was to just put it out that there's nothing there. We're being transparent. Here's everything. There's nothing there. We looked, we looked, we looked. It's nothing there. I suspect Pam Bondi observed stuff that would embarrass her group and didn't want to put it out. All of that's theory. I have no evidence because it just seems suspicious it did. So I'm not absolving bonding of the decision or Trump. I think they're making it worse by not just putting it out. Because if there's really nothing, what do you have to hide? Chances are there's something there. It's just not a big deal. But it's going to be made into a big deal and it's going to flip stuff on its head even though it's not a big deal. That's my guess. Like, I don't think it's a, you know, this super business of this. These government agents were doing this stuff with kids. I think it's something more, something less interesting, like maybe that, that Anna. What was her name? Anna? Or whatever. The, the, the, the Russian spy, the really attractive Russian spy that tricked a government agent and got all sorts of inside secrets, like something like that where there was some international breach of data that exposed as a result of this person's actions and that's what they may be hiding. Or perhaps Epstein, let's say, was not an agent per se, but he was a spy. You know, he was a spy for a different country and was shifting secrets to them. Maybe, just maybe, Epstein was a strong source of wealth channeling into something where they needed to cut it off because it was tied to a major, you know, drug or smuggling ring with some connections back into the US Government. Like for example, let's, let's assume I'm just throwing spitball at something point, right? Let's assume there was some channel where he was getting funding or money that ended up being taxpayer money and they didn't know about. Like a birdie Maid off kind of thing, right, where they're. He's spreading money around, but it turns out it's grifting from the government. Right? You hire this guy. I don't know if they did, but you hire this guy, you're paying him X, Y to do a B. And it turns out he's running drugs or he's, he's doing some sort of a human trafficking or something really nefarious. I think it's something like that. I think it's something where the government in best interest was working with the guy, believing it to be above board, didn't know what he was doing underground, near him, around him, exposed to him, never caught on that he's doing this stuff and now they're embarrassed. And so I, I think that's what it is. I think it's just the government made a stupid call working with him and enriching him. And to expose it would basically expose that they're just idiots that got grifted. That's what I suspect was the case. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that was the case. People will keep going about the Gizlay Maxwell. They're going to keep at it. It is what it is. But I don't, I don't at this point think it's anything other than, again, a big nothing burger or something so large embarrasses the government and they don't want the government to be embarrassed. The reason I'm skeptical about that one is because Donald Trump would absolutely be ecstatic to embarrass prior administrations if that were true. Like he would want to put it on record that, hey, Joe Biden did this. This is what it was. Joe Biden did that. I don't see why, I don't see why he would have, he would not want to put that out there. That's why I'm thinking it's a nothing something. I'm thinking it's a waste of time that has no real relevance and people are just going off of the smoke that's being spread around from the media, across social media, across various platforms is my thoughts. Oh, who, Oh.